Casual Talk with Mohanji at Datta Tapovan – part 2

Questions by Hein and Annette Adamson and Mohanji’s answers

at Datta Tapovan on 25th February, 2013

Q: We have heard that angels and higher beings are envious of human beings.
A: They need not be envious of us because these are all states which they can come into, too. Human state is not such an enviable state where there is a presence of duality which is sometimes unmanageable, sometimes helpless. So an angel or a higher entity need not be envious. They can create this body, it is not a problem, because this body is created out of the elements, that is why we have to procreate to maintain the species. We need two beings for creation. But in other planes you can create yourself as much as you like. They do not need to be envious as such, but of course, everyone would like to see what is next door, isn’t it? We are never satisfied with ourselves. Everything else is better than us, this is what everybody thinks, but we can’t be generic. You cannot generalise these things. There could be entities of I wouldn’t say higher nature, to think there is lower nature and be envious about it. Because when you are a postgraduate, you will not be envious of first year student because you have already covered that. But there could be curiosity what it is like to be in the human body. This can happen. And they can create it, it’s not a problem. They can choose the right womb and take a birth.

Q: Can you talk to us a little bit about sin?
A: The primary sin is not understanding yourself while existing. That means you waisted your life. If you are able to understand yourself and your true nature while you are existing, there wouldn’t be many sins. And the sins which religions talk about are to make you walk in a proper path. ”Don’t do this, don’t do that…” because then you are not contaminating yourself. So to avoid contamination, there are aspects which are kept as sins, so you will not touch them. This is defined in that way so that it can keep a person walking the path in a more purified way. Actually for me, if you continue in an unconscious state and have a death, and come back, that could be called a sin. Because you did not use your life for higher awareness. If you used your life for higher awareness, and you reach the ultimate, there are no sins.

Q: What is brahmacharya or as I understand it’s a celibacy?
A: It’s again a state. Brahmacharya is a state where you are not controlled by lust or greed or other emotions, where you are stable. But I would personally say that not making love, not having a relationship would not probably help brahmacharya. Enjoying equanimity while existing in every aspect is the right aspect of brahmacharya. That means you are married, you have a family, you have your home, this is brahmacharya because actually you are going through the process where you have all the possible lusts or greed or this kind of things in control, in the sense you have experienced it and you don’t need it, not that you are suppressing it. Whatever you auppress and say, ”Oh I’m the brahmacharya for the sake of something,” this is absolutely wrong. Nobody does anything for others, please understand this clearly. The whole existence, the whole experience called life is for ourselves, not for another person. People may say, ”I do this for you.” It’s a lie. Nobody can do anything for anybody. It’s not like when you get a tea for a person. These are simple expressions of love. Again it is because you enjoy it. So when you say, ”I like to be a brahmacharya,” that means with awareness, you say, ”I’m not interested in many aspects of life,” this is perfect. But when you say, ”I’m a brahmacharya because my religion or guru says so,” that means you are compromising, you are not expressing. Brahmacharya is a state where you attained and you are extremely balanced in that state. People write to me, ”Mohanji I would like to do this for you.” I always write back, ”Please do it for yourself. If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it for me.” Do you know why? Because it is actually an individual expression happening on the Earth. What is the big deal if they do it for me? They may feel the sacrifice, which is basically they are demeaning themselves, being sympathetic to themselves. That’s not the reality. That is why I say with awareness embrace brahmacharya, celibecy. Celibacy is again not abstaining from sex. Abstaining from sex because you don’t need to is good. Abstaining from sex because you cannot have it is bad. Because you are always thinking about it. You abstain from sex because you’ve overcome it, you don’t need it any more. This is ok. But understand the human existence is a little bit more complex than we consider it that way. That means food and sex are built in into the system. Why? Food to continue or evolve the body from childhood till death, and sex to continue the species. This is not true only for human beings, animals do the same. They also get aroused at certain seasons because they want to continue the species as well. These are all part of the creation. Now we say if we are immune to it, overcome it, you have embraced the higher bliss, a perpetual state of bliss, satchitananda, then you may not want to do lower thing like making love because it doesn’t give them so much of pleasure. This is ok, because you have grown beyond it. Then celibacy is automatic, you don’t even have to think you are a celibate. But now what happens is it is more of a theory and we try to put that into the practice and suffer. I don’t understand that. Why do you suppress anything at all? If you are harming another person, it’s definitely not good because somebody is suffering because of you. I never recommend this. Non-violence is what I recommend. But suppression of your basic instincts and out of that you become violent within and violent outside, is this what we are looking for? This is anti-spirituality. You are pulling yourself down. Just like scandalising people. You are pulling yourself down. The person whom you scandalise may forget, but you will never forget. Let us face reality and understand it and move. If you arrived at a state where you may not need certain things, you may abstain from food, you may abstain from breath, air, water or sexual union, this is ok, because you don’t need it any more, you have overcome it. That is real brahmacharya. Be a part of the society, live like a being which you are, like, if you have taken the human body, live like a human. Who stops you? And because of other concepts like ”This Maharshi has been a celibate, he never made love and I want to be like that.” This is immitation. It never works because you don’t know his constitution. He may have liberated himself a long time ago and he reached a state where he is not concerned about anything around him. You can immitate for sure, but you will suffer.

The moment of death

Q: It is said that the moment of death is one of the most important moments of your life?

A: It’s crucial. Because with death nothing is stopped. Of course the soul carries the impressions, carries the desires, carries all the stuff which will create the next life along with it. But the last emotion the last feeling makes a huge difference in the flavour of the next life. So if the feeling is divine and if it’s peaceful, you have more space and time, like you arrived at the airport in sufficient time, you don’t have to rush through. Similarly, you arrive at particular plane and you transcend in peace. And you definitely have your agenda to travel, this is important, that is why the next life. If you don’t have agenda, you don’t have to come back at all. But imagining that there is an agenda and you are having a desire to move to the higher plane. When you are travelling, the last particular emotion has a lot of value. This is why every religion, every scripture says, “Do not even consider suicide.” Because the soul can exit through the nine holes of our system: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, genitals. So when suicide happens, what happens? The soul exits through the lower. Where did the soul enter the head? At the top of the head. That is why newborns have very soft top of the head. So the soul enters the body through the top of the head. If you can take it further out through the same… that is why. How did the top of the head harden? Because of conditionings, ego, identifications, wrong identifications, everything made us hard. The whole spirituality is about attaining ability to bring the soul back to the top of the head and leave. Then you don’t come back because you are leaving by choice. You will not come back. But if committing a suicide, which is total non-understanding of existence, you cannot face the situation, so you want to die. That doesn’t solve anything because you’ll come back in a much more bizarre situation, with more agony. When the soul exits through the lower openings, it usually enters into the nearest womb possible, because it is confused, it doesn’t know what to do, it can be a pig’s body or any such body. Likewise they say, if you scandalise saints, scandalise people, scriptures say, 80 million wombs of the Earth are waiting for them. Why? Because the consciousness they are operating in only allows them to go to such wombs which are of much lower consciousness, like centipedes, or millipedes, or any creature which needs a lot more time to evolve into higher, not even like a lion or tiger. So you have to go through the process because you pulled your consciousness down. You pulled your awareness down. Lack of awareness led you to such actions. If you are fully aware, you’ll be fine. You will have no problem because all are individual expressions. In case we are talking about, the last emotion or feeling has a lot of value. This has to be achieved through consistent practice, while we are living. We should practise sufficiently in a particular direction so that when we are exiting it’s not a new thing, which means when you rehearse well, you can perform well on the stage. Similarly, when you rehearse well, the last stage of your will be beautiful.

Q: So we have to learn how to die?

A: Yes, learn how to die.

Emotions

Learn to live with emotions. Understand that emotions are like waves of the ocean. They come and go. Leave them, let them come and go. Don’t be too preoccupied with emotions. Because we stand and judge everything and that actually multiplies it. Ok, I become angry, and it’s gone, now I’m not angry. Like that, if you are able to flow through emotions, without binding them, judging them, censoring them, criticising them, then they will go. They will still come, but let them go because multiplication will not happen. Otherwise you hold an emotion, nurture it and make it a tree. Then you don’t know what to do with it. If it is just a small fruit, you can handle it in your hand. Once you plant it and start nurturing it with energy, it becomes a tree. That becomes your character, and it also b ecomes your binding!

Q: And if emotion is in karma…?

A: That suspended state is chosen. There are two reasons. One is that that is probably the experience which whoever is associated with them have to go through. Number two, they still have time for another birth so that they would like to be among their known people. There are many other possibilities, but these are two. Another possibilitiy is that their data entry was in a confused way. Whatever they assimilated as their character, as their conditioning was in a confused way, confused data entry, so jumbled up so that the life stopped. Like if your hard drive of your computer is full of data, the computer becomes very slow. And if it crashes, it’s a suspended state.

Charity

Q: Selfless service – if we help someone in need, do we ever give up on a person?

A: We should never give up on anybody. But understand that there are people who like to hang on us. They become dependent on us. This is not good charity. Good charity is keeping people liberated while we are liberated. So you help a person, hold his hand as long as he needs, for allowing smooth movement which means hold the child’s hand as long as he learns walk. When it walks itself, you don’t hold it any more.

Q: And if somebody is not prepared to change and you can see it isn’t happening?

A: Your duty is to show the way. Your duty is to create the bed for him, sleep has to happen. It is not up to you. You cannot interfere in an individual constitution or karma, this is impossible, because you have yours to handle. But as a compassionate being, as an expression you say, “Come here, i will hold your hand as long as you learn to walk.” But the idea shopuld be very clear. We should clearly know what we are doing. That means anything that creates dependency is binding. It binds you as well. So your state of liberation is affected just like his, so we should be aware of it. Continuous feeding is not a good idea. But at the same time if you are able to help a person to find the light, what else can you offer to the world? So charity should be well understood, not just act spontaneously without thinking.

Q: Is there one profound message that you would like to say?

A: Liberation. Use the time to liberate yourself. Get out of bindings. Anything that binds you such as a habit, a person, a surrounding, a situation, a place, or comfort zones. Enjoy the comfort zones, but do not be dependent on them. I’m not saying don’t enjoy life. Enjoy life. Life is for enjoying. But you should not be bound by it. When things start binding you, you cannot be liberated. But when you are able to handle everything in a liberated way, this is beauty of existence. E.g. “If this thing is here or not, I’m happy, if the person is available or not, I’m happy. I’m happy whichever way I am, but everything adds value to that happiness.” This is a beautiful situation. Being rich is having everything but not needing anything. But if you look around, most of the rich people are bound by their money. They cannot move. They are like watchmen of their property. They do not enjoy. They are full of fears. The most of the celebrities are in cages. They cannot move without bodyguards. They are vulnerable. Is this exactly what we are looking for in life? We must ask this question all the time. What is liberation? Liberation is not entertaining anarchy or doing things in a bizarre way. That is not liberation. That is again binding because you are expressing things in a wrong way. Liberation is a state where you are fine the way you are, no matter the circumstances, people, situations, positions. Otherwise everything becomes a burden including money, including people. Intellect is a big binding. We learn a lot and we don’t know what to do with it. We try to live it. It’s somebody’s information, it’s not ours and then we fall flat on the face. Liberation is a very large subject, but you have to access yourself, and grow from there. That is why I always say, Understand yourself, this is the biggest understanding you can ever have. Understand yourself in all aspects, e.g. “I am getting angry, I am getting egoistic, I am having fears, I have various emotions…” Understand everything and accept them. Then you reach a stage where you say, “I am none of this.” Then you will start realising what aspect of you is real, which is God, the only permanent aspect is god aspect. That has to happen from within. You cannot get it from outside nor can any guru take you by the hand and give you. He can guide you saying that this is the reality, look at it.

Q: And the love you have for all of us, can you explain it to us?

A: It has to be experienced, not explained.

Q: Because your love is absolutely the same for everyone.

A: It should be. I hope so 🙂 Because if at one moment I start discriminating, then the quality goes down. Purity is dissolved. To maintain purity, I need to be extremely in equanimity, in 100% objectivity. I call a spade a spade, I give love without any restrictions. Even if I scold somebody this is with love, not because I want to hurt somebody. So the power from where you operate is absolute. There is nothing stopping you, because all the expressions are expressions of love. Anger, ego, whatever you want to express, it’s stemming out of love for higher good of the person or the receiver. This is important so you cannot have discrimination. When you look at a person, you see yourself. Another expression of myself is him. So where is discrimination? How can you discriminate? It’s impossible. Limited mind only does that. When you are unlimited mind, you cannot have higher and lower. In front of god or guru all are the same. All are just packages of various constitution. Accept them the way they are.

Recorded and transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic